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fight for every last american job and every american company, which really a lot of companies in this room, i can tell you. we're going to be fighting for you. because you're bringing the jobs. we're a nation that tamed the west, dug out the panama canal and won two world wars and put a man on the moon it's time to start thinking big once again. that's why i believe it's time to establish a national goal of reaching 4% economic growth. and my great economists don't want me to say this, but i think we can do better than that. now they're upset. they'll be very upset, but i think we can do and maybe substantially better than that. in working with my economic team, we put together a plan that puts us on track to achieve
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that goal. over the next ten years our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5% growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs. you can visit our website. just look at the math. it works. [ applause ] this growth means that our jobs and our plans, including our child care reforms that ivanka trump, my daughter, is so involved in will be complete -- i like her, too. >> and right now andrea mitchell reports a razor-tight race. a new poll shows hillary clinton and donald trump virtually tied. now with a lot of catching up to do, clinton is back on the trail today, ready for takeoff after this warm-up.
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>> he promoted the lie. and he still is promoting the lie that our first black president is not a true american. i'm going to keep calling out the bigotry and hateful rhetoric that he's brought to this campaign. >> vintage trump after showing restraint for four days. goes off again last night, taking shots at hillary clinton's health. >> it is hot and it's always hot when i perform because the crowds are so big. do you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't -- >> and the diagnosis. voters know a lot more about both candidates' health today, especially hillary clinton's. >> the doctor's letter is actually fairly complete from my perspective as a physician, can she make it through a presidency based on what we know so far? seems like she can. >> and we're going to return right now to donald trump at the
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economic club of new york after he appeared earlier today on a pretaped program with dr. oz. >> this is the weakest so-called recovery since the great depression. over the last eight years the economy grew 2.1%. the slowest in 70 years. had the economy grown under obama at the same rate as reagan, it would have meant 10 million more jobs. perhaps most shockingly, one in six men aged 18 to 34 are either in jail or out of work. meanwhile, another 2 million hispanic americans have been added to the ranks of those in poverty. on top of it all, the obama/clinton policies have doubled the national debt. it took more than 230 years for the united states to accumulate
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its first $10 trillion in debt. it took president obama less than eight years to add another $10 trillion. now, it will be one thing if that money had been used to completely rebuild our nation, our military, our infrastructure, but that didn't happen. instead, the opposite happened. we doubled our debt and in return we have dilapidated infrastructure, failing schools, a badly depleted military. greatest people on earth and they have a badly depleted military. its equipment, old and tired. and another 14 million people, who have left the workforce. never has so much money been spent so poorly and so unwisely. but we're going to turn that all around and here's how.
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it begins with bold, new tax reform don't worry, they're going down, not up. they're going down. i think you were concerned they're going up as outlined in detroit, our tax plan will greatly simplify the code and reduce the number of brackets from seven to three. the new brackets will be 12, 25 and 33%. but low-income americans will pay no income tax at all. in fact, our plan will remove millions and millions of workers from the income tax roll entirely so all that work we do in washington can be discontinued. they'll pay tax. they'll pay tax, but they'll pay tax when they start making a certain amount of income.
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by lowering rates, streamlining deductions and simplifying the process, we will add millions and millions of new jobs. in addition, because we have strongly capped deductions for the wealthy and closed special interest loopholes, the tax relief will be concentrated on the working and middle class taxpayer. they will receive the biggest benefit and it won't even be close. they have been forgotten. we are not going to forget them. they have built our country. we will not forget. this is a work -- thank you. [ applause ] this is a working and middle class tax relief proposal. the tax relief for these workers will be expanded by my child care proposals that i have worked on with my daughter ivanka. these proposals are central and
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very, very powerful central element of our comprehensive tax reform and economic growth plan. families will be able to fully deduct the average cost of child care from their taxes, including stay-at-home parents. because this deduction is capped, it will be disproportionately and it will benefit working and middle class families. got to take care of our middle class families. the less you make, the larger a share of your income you can exclude from taxation. parents will also be able to enroll a tax-free dependent care savings account for their children or elderly relatives. low-income households will benefit from both an expanded earned income tax credit in the form of child care rebates and a matching $500 contribution for their savings account.
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a married couple earning $50,000 per year, with two children and $8,000 in child care expenses will save 35% from their current tax bill. that's a tremendous saving. and they'll have a better life. a married couple earning $75,000 per year with two children and $10,000 in child care, expenses will receive a 30% reduction in their tax bill from what they're paying right now. but contrast someone earning $5 million, like the people in this room, will receive virtually no change in their tax bill at all. one of our greatest job creation measures is going to be our 15% business tax rate, down from the current 35% rate, a reduction of more than 40%.
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i know that's what you people have been waiting for. an explosion of new businesses and new jobs will be created. it will be amazing to watch. you watch and it will happen. we will also allow united states-based manufacturers to fully expense the cost of new plants and equipment. big, big deal. on top of that, we will bring back trillions in business wealth, and this is wealth that's parked overseas. nobody knows how much it is. they say it's 2.5 trillion. i have people that think it's $5 trillion. we'll bring them back and it will be taxed only at the rate of 10% instead of 35%. and who would bring it back at 35%?
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obviously, nobody, because nobody is doing it. i think it's going to be something that will be so phenomenal, far beyond what people even think. by taxing it at 10% instead of 35%, all of this money will come roaring back into our country and lots of good things will start to happen. we will turn america into a new magnet for new jobs. that means jobs in our poorest communities. so important. and right now we have companies leaving the country because taxes are too high, but we actually have companies leaving the country to get their money. and that's a first. nobody's ever heard of that one before, but believe me, that's happened. next come regulations. one of the keys to unlocking growth is scaling back years of disastrous regulations. imposed by out-of-control
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bureaucrats. regulations have turned into a massive job creation industry. and it's one thing i will absolutely put to an end day one in 2015 alone, federal agencies issued over 3,300 final rules and regulations, up from 2,400 the prior year. every year overregulation costs our economy $2 trillion a year and reduces household wealth by almost $15,000. i propose a moratorium on new regulations that are not compelled by congress or public safety, and i will eliminate all needless and job-killing regulations now on the books. and there are plenty of them.
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this includes eliminating some of our most intrusive regulations, like the waters of the u.s. it also means scrapping the e.p.a.'s so-called clean power plan, which the government itself estimates will cost $7.2 billion a year. this obama/clinton directive will shut down most, if not all, coal-powered electricity plants, i mean, all over the country they're shutting down. remember, what hillary clinton said. she wants to shut down the miners just like she wants to shut down the steel mills and shut down the steel workers. and we're not going to let it happen. we're going to put our great miners and our steel workers back to work. energy reform is central to our plan as well. according to heritage foundation, by 2030 president
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obama's energy restrictions will eliminate another half million manufacturing jobs, reduce economic output by 2$2.5 trillin and reduce incomes by $7,000 per person. and today you have workers, and i see them all the time, and i meet them all the time, and they're part of this massive group of people that have just come onto this movement, but you have workers making less money today than they made 18 years ago in real wages. they're working much harder, oftentimes because of the disastrous obamacare that we're going to repeal and replace, oftentimes they're working two jobs. so, they're working harder, they're older and they're making less. it's like me, i'm working harder than i've ever worked also, but these are -- nobody cares about that. who cares about that? hillary clinton wants to go even
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further. and her plan could cost the economy $5 trillion. a trump administration will lift restrictions on all sources of american energy production. according to the institute for american energy resources, this will increase the gdp by more than $100 billion annually. add over 500,000 new jobs annually. increase annual wages by more than $30 billion over the next seven years. increase federal, state, local tax revenues by almost $6 trillion over four decades. increase total economic activity by more than $20 trillion over a 40-year period. in addition, we will streamline the permitting process for all energy infrastructure projects,
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which are desperately needed including the billions of dollars in projects held up by president obama currently being held up. they just won't approve anything. creating countless more jobs in the process. finally comes trade. the foundation for everything. america's annual trade deficit with the world is now almost $800 billion a year. who are negotiating these deals? anybody in this room negotiating these wonderful deals? think of it, we have a trade deficit of almost $800 billion a year. that's going to change so far fast. between world war i and the year 2000, the united states averaged a 3.5% growth rate. but after china joined the world trade organization, our average growth rate has been reduced to only 2%.
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predatory trade practices, product dumping, currency manipulation, which is a big one, and intellectual property theft have taken millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in wealth right out of our country. right out of our country. so sad that we allowed this to happen. our incompetent politicians were not watching, and the ones that were watching were taken care of in some form, because this should have never been allowed to happen. it is no great secret that many of the special interests funding my opponent's campaign are the same people profiting from these terrible trade deals. they're terrible. they're terrible for everybody. the same so-called experts advising hillary clinton are the same people who gave us nafta. china's entry into the world trade organization, the job-killing trade deal with
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south korea, another disaster. and now the transpacific partnership that they're pushing so strongly. the verdict is in. all of the special interests that the media raced -- they just raced to comment and raced to get comment from, have been proven wrong over such a long period of time. every single deal they've promoted, every lie, and every prediction has crashed. it's just crashed. they've been so absolutely wrong. and they've been so bad for our country. our manufacturing base has crumbled, communities have been hollowed out, wages have declined and households are making less today than they were in the year 2000. i proposed a detailed planning to reform our trade policies and bring vast new jobs and wealth to america.
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we need our wealth back. we don't have wealth. we are a debtor nation. this includes the following steps. i'm going to direct the secretary of commerce to identify every violation of trade agreement that a foreign country is using to harm our country and our workers. that's what's happening. they're being harmed and our country is being harmed. i will use every tool under american and international law to end these abuses. i will use our greatest business leaders and finest negotiators, and i will tell you some of them are in this room right now. not all of them, but some. and i know who you are. and, honestly, we're going to be calling on you because we have people negotiating the biggest deals in the world, far bigger than your company deals. your company deals are little deals by comparison.
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it's true. we take some of these big companies and you look at some of these trade deals, hate to say it, but your companies are peanuts. but we're going to use our best. right now we have political hacks negotiating the biggest, most important deals in the world. we're going to start with nafta, which is causing so much damage to our country. we will entirely renegotiate nafta into a deal that will either be a good one for us as a country and for our workers, or we will terminate it into a brand-new and productive deal can be signed. [ applause ] we'll also, and we have to, we're going to keep america out of transpacific partnership unless we can do something that's phenomenal, and i'm not seeing it right now, i can tell
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you that. i'm not seeing it next i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china, and i like china, they're my tenant, they buy con dose all the time, they're just fine, but you know what, they're a currency manipulator and we're going to apply tariffs to any country that devalues its currency to gain an unfair advantage over the united states. they are a manipulator, grand master level. we can't allow it to happen. and our people and our representatives and our politicians don't have even a little clue as to how to play the game. we have a trade deficit this year with china of approximately $500 billion. what kind of a deal is that? and this has been going on for
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years. $200 billion, $300 billion, $400 billion for years. i'm going to instruct the united states trade representative to bring trade cases against china. china's unfair subsidy behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance into the wto. and i intend to enforce the rules. and i'm sure we'll make a deal somewhere along the way. but they're not playing fairly and our politicians don't understand how to play the game. [ applause ] if china does not stop its illegal activities, including its theft of american trade secrets and intellectual properties, i will apply countervailing duties until china ceases and desists. you know what that means. just the single action of enforcing intellectual property rules alone, just alone, would
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add millions of new american jobs. according to the united states international trade commission, improved protection of america's -- just think of this. improved protection of america's intellectual property in china would add it 2 million jobs a year within the united states every single year. and we do nothing. we allow them to get away with it. who can blame them? i don't blame them at all. if you can get away with it, they're going to get away with it. we're going to stop the outflow of jobs from our country and open a new highway of jobs back into our country. here's how the plan adds up. we're proposing a $4.4 trillion tax cut that will score as a 2.6 trillion under dynamic growth models. which is how taxes should be scored.
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[ applause [ this includes the child care plan that we announce the other day. our economic team has further modeled that the growth-induced savings from trade, energy and regulation reform will save at least another $1.8 trillion off of the remaining debt. that leaves around $800 billion. this money can all be saved through simple common sense reforms. if we just save one penny of each federal dollar spent on nondefense and nonentitlement programs, we can save almost $1 trillion over the next decade. one penny, we can all do that. save over a trillion. again, this is spending that
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does not touch defense, because we have to build up our military, which is so terribly depleted. and that does not touch entitlements. if our plan exceeds the 3.5% ten-year growth average, then our jobs proposed will actually reduce and start really strongly reducing the deficit. savings will be compounded by the fact that people who are currently receiving unemployment or welfare will finally be able to find jobs. this is the most pro-growth, pro-jobs, pro-family plan put forth, perhaps, in the history of our country. this is what our new future will look like. i'm going to lower your taxes very, very substantially. i'm going to get rid of massive amounts of unnecessary regulation. all of these regulations on your business and in your life, i'm
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going to unleash american energy. i'm going to repeal and replace obamacare. i'm going to appoint justices of the supreme court who will follow the constitution. [ applause ] i'm going to rebuild our depleted military and take care of our vets who are treated so badly. in many cases, our vets are treated not nearly as well as people who come into our country illegally. we can't have that. i'm going to say your second amendment, which is under siege. i'm going to stop illegal immigration and drugs from pouring into our country and totally poisoning our youth and others. a tremendous problem. and, yes, we will build the wall. the wall will be built.
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and just in case you're worried about who's going to pay for it, mexico will pay for it. being totally serious about that. mexico will pay for it. you understand, mexico, by the way, will look at the trade deficit we have with mexico. it's massive. the wall is peanuts compared to what we're talking about. mexico will pay for the wall. i'm going to renegotiate our disastrous trade deals, especially nafta. we will only make great trade deals that put the american worker first and put the american worker back to work. that includes our miners and our steel workers. they're going back to work. we will rebuild our road, our bridges, our tunnels, our highways, our airports, schools, hospitals. we'll rebuild everything. american cars will travel the roads. american planes will soar the
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skies. and american ships will patrol the seas. american steel will send new skyscrapers into the clouds. american hands will rebuild this nation. and american energy harvested from american sources will power this nation. american workers will be hired to do the job. we will put new american metal and new american steel into the spine of this country. jobs will return, incomes will rise, new factories will come rushing back to our shores. we will make america wealthy again. we will make america strong again. and we will make america great again. thank you very much. god bless you. thank you. thank you very much. >> and donald trump wrapping up
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an economic speech at the economic club of new york. good day, i'm andrea mitchell. at the westchester county airport awaiting hillary clinton's arrival as she returns to the trail, she's been home for three days recouperating frm pneumonia. we'll talk about that in a moment. you can see her campaign plane behind her. her plan today is to fly to north carolina, where we'll be flying with her. she's going to be giving a speech focusing on family and children before heading to d.c. for the hispanic caucus. donald trump just wrapped up that speech at the economic club of new york. it's a club known to be all of the top people from wall street. it's a platform that's been used by presidents, been candidates for the presidency. now donald trump today laying out his plan. joining me by phone is mark goldwine, with the committee for a responsible federal budget, nonpartisan economic group that judges the budget plans, the economic plans of candidates and of administrations and congressional budget offices.
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mark, thanks very much for joining us. donald trump has proposed a $4.4 trillion tax cut. and he has said it is only going to cost the federal budget $2.6 billion because of what is called dynamic scoring. please, first of all, take that and explain what dynamic scoring is about and how critics have charged in the past that that has led to a lot of difficulties from republican congressional and white house budget plans in the past. >> thank you so much for having me on. the issue is there's two ways to score any kind of policy. you can look at its direct effects and affects on behavior or what effects it might have on economic growth. if we can grow the economy faster, that also means more tax revenue. donald trump is basically saying is tax fund can grow the economy enough to offset half of the costs. unfortunately, i don't think that's particularly realistic.
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certainly tax reform can help spur economic growth but we've never seen a tax reform that would pay for half of its costs or anything like that. >> the other trillion dollars in savings he's talking about from regulatory changes, how do you see that taking shape, especially given the stalemate we've seen between house and senate, between democrats and republicans? how would a president trump, after the campaign we've seen, be able to get this kind of legislation through? >> well, look, i think a lot of this is just pie in the sky. of course, we can grow the economy with better tax policy, better regulatory policy and better energy policy, but we're talking about a couple percentage points a year. i'm sorry, a couple decimal points a year. not percentage points. we can't get this kind of economic growth. we haven't really historically with an aging population, it's going to be pretty much impossible to going forward. >> can he have these kinds of tax cuts and not touch defense spending or entitlements, both
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of which -- i mean, expense spending has been hit hard bit sequester. he gave a speech to american legion, so did hillary clinton in successive days, the automatic spendings in the defense sector has been hurting military spending, hurting all of those accounts. can he do this without eliminating the sequester, without changing the budget law? >> donald trump has taken two-thirds of the budget off the table. he said he won't touch defense, social security, medicare or veterans. that's two-thirds of the budget and includes our three largest government spending programs. i don't see how you find enough spending cuts in the rest of the government to possibly pay for massive tax cuts, let alone reduce the debt and balance the budget. >> and with us now, josh barro, from "business insider", joining us as well. what about the politics of this? sounds like something for everyone? >> part of something out of the overall trump playbook. he promised big tax cuts sa
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cross the board, rich or poor, and not cut entitlements, and create new child care credit. the promises he's making he doesn't seem restrained at all by the idea that it has to add up according to a budget restraint. on the other hand, even though this is a large tax cut, it's actually smaller than the one he proposed during the primary. the tax rates are higher. he had a big but little noticed proposal in the primary that would have allowed people to take a 15% rate on their business income, not just for corporations. even if you're an individual who owns a small business that is taxed through the individual code, you'd be able to take that 15 rate. that is going to open up an enormous tax loophole that would have benefitted a lot of high earners that could restructure their income from businesses. that proposal, i'm gathering, has been stripped out of this tax plan. so, he actually would be reducing taxers on the highest earners down to 33%. that's a substantial reduction from the current 40%. but it's actually not as much of a reduction as most of his
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opponents proposed in the republican primary. so they're saying it's about a $4 trillion tax cut over four years that would be something on the order of a little bit less than 10% of the revenue you would expect the federal government to take in over that period. so, it's a big tax cut but not as big as he was proposing before. part of me wonders, donald trump is realizing he might be in the position of running the federal government soon. he will be more powerful the more revenue the government takes in. so he's not proposing as big a tax cut as he was proposing some months ago. >> or maybe he had some new advisers as well telling him to restraint it, especially speaking to the economic club of new york, it wouldn't be as credible. thanks josh barro and marc goldwein. at westchester county airport, we're awaiting hillary clinton's arrival. she's returning to the campaign trail today after three days in recuperation from pneumonia. she's already kicked things off by taking the fight to trump on the tom joyner radio show this morning.
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>> i have said donald trump has run a deplorable campaign. he has accepted support and been cheered on by the likes of david duke, the former grand wizard of the ku klux klan and other white supremacists. his running mate, mike pence, wouldn't even call former kkk leader, david duke, deplorable. it starts by standing up and calling out the bigotry and the hatred that we see coming from trump. >> joining me now is nbc's kristin welker in washington covering the clinton campaign. of course, with me for the past year and a half, and you really get the sense that this is also coming together, that we are now at a turning point in this campaign. with us as well is dr. john torres, medical contributor. dr. john torres of nbc, medical contributor. excuse me, a lot of noise here, out of the airport.
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kristin, first to you. the tom joyner show this morning, she called in -- it was actually taped yesterday, before her medical report was released. first of all, taking shots at trump and also she was -- she was also asked about colin powell and about that hacking into colin powell's e-mails, which we have now -- nbc news confirming there is a strong suspicious in law enforcement officials that, in fact, the russians were connected, that there were ties to that website that published the colin powell hack. kristin? >> well, andrea, you're right. to your first point, i think what you're going to see when secretary clinton returns to the trail is she is going to aggressively hit trump on some of these issues. like you heard her talking about the deplorables comment, which, she made. the trump campaign has been hitting her for that. the clinton campaign thinks they have the stronger argument to
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make because of some controversial comments donald trump and some supporters have made. she's not shying away from that fight. she's not shying away from the fight over his potential ties to the russian government or russian oligarchs. that's something they're trying to spin up. trump campaign would say that's overstated and not the case. those are her attack lines she's rolling out and she's clearly ready to deploy them, particularly given this rough patch she's had in her own campaign. i think the other critical part of the strategy, andrea, is talking about transparency, deflecting the questions about colin powell, which you just raised and really trying to put the focus back on donald trump and ask the question, where is a more complete medical record from donald trump. of course, he did release that one-page report yesterday on "the dr. oz show", and today when she returns to the campaign trail, she'll be talking about her stronger together theme. so, i think it's going to be a
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two-part approach here. attacking donald trump really aggressively and also trying to be a little more aspirational and focus on that stronger together theme she has. >> and, of course, the timing really important. today's "new york times"/cbs poll showing likely voters, only a two-point spread, 46% to 44%. that's basically a virtual tie. dr. torres, you and i had a good chance to talk yesterday after clinton's doctor released her medical report. and you -- your conclusion was that it was pretty specific and, overall, pretty good? >> yeah, it was pretty specific, pretty good, pretty full. we had most of the information we need. the analogy is like it's a photo album. you go on vacation, different weddings. each one is a snapshot into your life. this is a snapshot into your health. from her perspective, we're getting a pretty full photo album of her health. these snapshots that give a full picture. with donald trump, on the other hand, we're getting much fewer pictures in this album.
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even though we have more pages to that album, we don't have the full album or at least as full as i think we probably need. >> and when we talk about the fact that she had had these series of blood clots. we know starting in 1998 and one that resulted from the concussion, she's on coumadin. she seems to be tracked very closely for that. there are potential side effects but are you satisfied that there are no issues as have been raised by donald trump and rudy giuliani, no major health issues for this woman who is 68 years old, she'll be 69? donald trump would be, of course, the oldest person to ever be sworn in to become american president if he wins the election at 70. >> when it comes to hillary clinton, one thing people have been focusing on the dvt, the blood clots and the dehydration. her doctor addressed that in one of the multiple letters she wrote. she says she has no coagulation
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syndromes which means she doesn't have any syndromes to cause her to have more blood clots. it's not unusual to get them if you're on long flights and dehydrated or a combination of the two. that fairly satisfied with. as far as the last episode, the doctor thoroughly addressed with the c.a.t. scan, the pneumonia, the treatment she's had and going from there. with donald trump we still have some questions. his past medical history isn't that full. we don't have many of those snapshots we need. there might be some cardiac history issues we need to look at as well. again, not the complete full picture we have for her. >> and finally, any question that might be too soon to return to the trail? we can understand the pressure she's under, but she's not only coming here today, going to north carolina, then to d.c., a couple other events in d.c., but on monday she starts a very heavy schedule of battleground states plus she's coming to new york for the u.n. meetings and she's going to be meeting with the ukrainian leader to
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highlight the contrast between her and donald trump. trump, she would argue, is a -- almost in a buddy movie with vladimir putin. she meeting with putin's biggest critic. is this too heavy of a schedule for her? >> her job dictates her schedule, so she has a heavy schedule. it's hard for her to get around that. on the phone this morning, she actually sounded pretty good. my hope is she slows down the next couple of days, doesn't do much, and then slowly builds up what she's doing during the days. if she does that come monday when her schedule gets very heavy, i think she'll be able to handle that. if on the other hand she overexerts herself or dehydrates again, that could cause more complications. keeping hydrated -- these are the doctor's orders, keeping hydrated, rest, and if you get fatigued, slow down a little bit. >> good doctor's advice for any of us. thank you, dr. john torres. and clinton top strategist
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what's that supposed to mean? fedex. helping small business simplify e-commerce. clinton campaign senior strategist joel benenson joins me now from 30 rock. you heard donald trump's speech. what is your counterpoint to the outline, his economic plan for the nation if he's elected? >> i don't think this was a radical change from what he proposed before. he's giving massive tax cuts to the very wealthy, slashing the tax rate for our corporations in america, who are experiencing record profits, many of them out sharing those increases with their workers, which is why wages are stagnant. he's doubling down on what he's done before. it's the same kind of policies that independent analysts like mark zandi and republican economists have said would put our economy into a recession. he has no way to pay for these
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things. it's a trickle-down economics on steroids. that's what he's offering. more tax cuts for the very wealthy like himself and corporations. it's not what will get this economy moving again. hillary clinton has a real plan to create good-paying jobs that you can support a family on, jobs in the future, and that's going to be a clear difference as we go through this campaign, because she's the only one making a difference for working people and improving their lives. >> what about "the new york times" poll today, joel, you had a long of background as a pollster, why at this stage is there a two-page spread, a virtual tie in "the new york times" poll today, which has to have a lot of democrats concerned at this stage of the campaign? >> andrea, we've been saying this since before, even before convention, after conventions, presidential elections in this country are historically close. we don't have many blowouts. they tend to be in the mid to
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single digits. i don't spend a lot of time talking about public polls in 2012 we had a lot of conversation about it internally in the obama campaign. then we talked about them and called them monkey polls because they jump around so much. there are polls out today that say it's a two-point lead. others say it's -- the other guy is winning by a few, others say we're winning by five. it doesn't matter what they say. what meats is executing your campaign in the states you have to win to get to the 270 electoral votes you have to win. we feel fwheer a much stronger position to do that. we are playing offense all throughout the battleground states. we have the trump campaign playing defense. that's where we want to be eight weeks out because as we drive our message going forward about who's standing up for people every day and making a difference in their lives, the answer to that question is hillary clinton, not donald trump, who's been standing up for himself and for people like him at the top and stacking the deck for them throughout his career. >> you've got two new polls
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today, cnn ohio and florida, four-point polls. two all-important battleground states. why is it as close as it is, though? that's what a lot of democrats are asking themselves? >> well, you -- >> she has a lot of advantages. >> she has more money -- >> andrea, you've been covering this as long as i've been working in this. the american electorate starts out pretty closely divided in every election, we're usually starting out in a 42, 43 election, battling over what we call battleground states and swing voters in battleground states. that's what these campaigns always come down to. that's why the elections are always close. we've had very close elections in the popular vote. we even had a president get elected in 2000 who lost the popular vote but won 270 electoral votes -- 271. that's what this race is about, making sure we win with the swing voters we need to persuade in the states we need to win, these battleground states going forward. we feel we're very well positioned. we're playing more offense than defense. the trump campaign is playing
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more defense than offense. >> and how about her health, what have you heard about how she's recovering? we heard her on the tom joyner show. she sounded strong. she's embarking on a very tough schedule. >> she is. i've heard her on a couple of phone calls and she does sound strong. look, she is -- her instinct is to power through these things. that's what happened last week. she didn't want to stop. she didn't get want to get off the trail. she wanted to do what so many americans do when they are feeling under the weather is keep working. this was a little tougher. she had to get off the trail for a bit. i'm sure she's champing at the bit to get out there and take her message to north carolina about how she's going to help children and families because those have been the causes of her life. getting children the education they need, a great education no matter what zip code they live in so every child in america can live up to his and her god-given potential, and to give families the real help they need. in these economic times we have
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families are different than they used to be, more two-income families, parents struggling to be good parents and good work s workers. hillary clinton is the only candidate with a good plan to help parents manage work lives and be good parents at home. that's how we want to build the country going forward. >> one of the things we noticed is she's going to be meeting with foreign leaders next week, joel. first of all, pore chenco, the ukrainian leader. there can't be a leader of any country that's been more victimized by putin than him. i, gather, that's a deliberate contrast with donald trump's comments about putin. >> look, certainly there is a contrast with donald trump. not just about his praise for putin. he calls him a strong leader. everybody in the rest of the world knows he's a strong man who uses strong-arm tactics to silence his critics and oppress people. look, you ukraine is strategically placed. it's very important because of its proximity to russia. it's interesting, a couple weeks
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ago everybody gave gary johnson a tough time about when he didn't answer a question about aleppo. we tend to forget donald trump didn't even know putin had invaded and was occupying russia -- crimea in, you know, the eastern end of the ukraine with troops. look, i think hillary clinton is going to do what she knows how to do, which is talk to our allies, work with our allies, sit down with adversaries, push and make progress forward on the complex issues we face around the world. there are certainly countries, some more friendly than others with us, that we need to work with. donald trump continually insults people he disagrees with. he doesn't seem to know the landscape of the challenges we face around the world, which is why we've had 50 republican national security experts say he is unfit to be president of the united states and commander in chief. >> finally, the hacking of colin powell's e-mails. were you surprised at some of
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those unvarnished comments by powell on hillary clinton? >> i'm not going to comment on anybody's e-mails that get hacked. i think these things are unfortunate. we need obviously to protect our people in all walks of life from this. and i think it's -- you know, what people intend to say private here i'm not going to comment on. either way, he had a lot of e-mails exposed. we've seen this happening more. shouldn't be really part. dialogue right now, as far as i'm concerned. >> perhaps the larger question is russia's potential influence or attempts to influence the american election. >> well, that's a different issue, if you want -- >> of u.s. policymakers. >> if you want to ask about that, that is what makes donald trump's regular dalliance with vladimir putin horrifying. in is a man who doesn't understand that putin and russia can still pose a global threat to the united states. and what we learned yesterday in "newsweek" is we see he has got hundreds, possibly, of foreign
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entanglements with businesses in countries like north korea, turkey, ukraine, russia, countries where his businesses would create a massive conflict of interest for him if he got elected president. we have never had a president with these kinds of dealings. he says he won't get rid of them. he'll let his children run the business. and we see in vital places like turkey, where we have air force bases, where we use them to combat isis, he's doing business with people in turkey who have been corrupt, their businesses have been shut down and he's in partnership with them. every decision this man makes is going to be compromised. he's a walking conflict of interest. he won't release his tax returns. he tells the american people, it's none of your business. when you've got that kind of tangled web of foreign businesses that you own, you can't tell the american people it's none of your business. you're a walking conflict of interest. you bet it's their business. >> joel benenson, thanks very much. thanks for joining us today. this special edition of
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"andrea mitchell reports" from the westchester county airport -- and they're telling me i have to get on a plane, so my colleague, kristen welker will take over from washington. thanks, kristen. >> andrea, go get on that plane and safe travels. joining me now to discuss all this, from washington post, jonathan capehart, and ali velshi joining us from new york as well. he was inside the trump economic speech. ali, i want to start with you. appreciate you being here. help us to break down what we just heard from donald trump. he says his plan includes $4.4 trillion in tax breaks. what are the surprises you heard today and what are the biggest questions you're still left with? >> he had a lot of detail. if this was the first time anybody heard donald trump speak, you wouldn't have seen the insults and rhetoric. it was a heavily scripted speech to an audience that understands mathematic numbers, the economic
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club of new york. what he said that was largely interesting is he wants to make a national target out of a 4% economic growth, gdp growth. we're at 2.2% right now, we've averaged 2.5% for many years. there's nobody on the left or right who disagrees with wanting higher economic growth but presidents don't have full control over that. i would describe what i heard in that room as being much more about goals than plans. he said a lot of things he wanted to do but he didn't outline how it is america is going to get from 2.2% to 4% growth. >> just very quickly, before i let you go because we don't have a lot of time, you heard joel benenson make the point that basically he's calling for tax breaks for wealthy americans. is the clinton campaign accurate to make that attack? >> he made it very clear that those people in the room, and he was talking to high earners, were not going to see any change to their taxes. he did not say that there would be breaks and he did not say, as hillary clinton's campaign has been saying, there would be increases.
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he said no change to the wealthy. >> all right, ali, thank you for that insight. really appreciate it. we want to get to the politics of all of this now. a little bit of breaking news. i want to play you something eric trump jr. said just moments ago during a radio interview with wpht 1210, and then i'm going to get chris and jonathan's reaction on the other side. take a listen. >> without the media, this wouldn't even be a contest, but the media has built her up. they've let her slide on every indiscrepancy, on every lie, on every dnc game trying to get bernie sanders out of the thing. if republicans were doing that, they would be warming up the gas chamber right now. >> chris, gas chamber, your reaction? >> yeah, don't make comparison to nazi germany. that's like literally rule one in the political rule book. nothing is like concentration camps. nothing is like hitler. leave it be.
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the broader point is making -- i would also disagree with, you know, i could -- i'd be happy to show don trump jr. my e-mail inbox or twitter mentions with people insisting that all we do is focus on hillary clinton and e-mails and press conferences and the clinton foundation. this seems to me just your classic working of the reps with a really unfortunate comparison put in there at the end. >> jonathan, we just have a few seconds left. your reaction, your take? >> i agree with chris. i would say any time you're attacking the media, particularly eric trump and the trump campaign, all the things he said in that clip we just listened to are all the things, you know, from the lying and everything that he said about hillary clinton are all things that donald trump and his campaign are actively doing. >> chris, jonathan and ali, appreciate you joining us this afternoon. this is something we'll be discussing a whole lot more today. appreciate all your insights. much more ahead on "andree
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edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow as we await hillary clinton's arrival in white plains. meanwhile, i'm going to toss it over to halle jackson. >> hi, i'm live from msnbc world headquarters in new york. we've got a lot of fast-moving developments today. in the race for the white house including this, as donald trump delivers a major economic speech, house speaker paul ryan has some economic advice of his own for him -- release your tax returns. >> i'll leave it to him when to do it. >> here's the rest of your 2016 road map this hour. ready for takeoff. hillary clinton set to fly any minute now to north carolina for her first campaign appearance nc


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